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  <itunes:subtitle>Co-owner and CTO of 37signals, David Heinemeier Hansson is more commonly known as “DHH”. Famous as the creator of Ruby on Rails, Basecamp and HEY, David has made a career of being provocative on, and on behalf of, the Internet.</itunes:subtitle>
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  <description>&lt;p&gt;Co-owner and CTO of 37signals, David Heinemeier Hansson is more commonly known as “DHH”. Famous as the creator of Ruby on Rails, Basecamp and HEY, David has made a career of being provocative on, and on behalf of, the Internet.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;Nonsense&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://www.armosec.io/blog/kubernetes-vulnerability-relevancy-and-prioritization/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;ARMO’s relevancy feature for prioritising CVE remediation in containers&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;em&gt;If you’re still running Kubernetes, that is; there is no MRSKscape yet&lt;/em&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Glastonbury 2023

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Guns N’ Roses

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001nbyk/glastonbury-guns-n-roses" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;UK: the full set on iPlayer&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Rest of the world: &lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHZTOvcElng" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Paradise City (feat. Dave Grohl)&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appetite_for_Destruction" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Appetite for Destruction&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Rick Astley

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0ft6dj2/glastonbury-rick-astley" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;UK: the full set on iPlayer&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://youtu.be/nsCIeklgp1M" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Rest of the world&lt;/a&gt; (Beware: that link is &lt;em&gt;technically&lt;/em&gt; a rick-roll)&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;Interview links&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://basecamp.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Basecamp&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://hey.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;HEY!&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://www.dailyrush.dk/https://twitter.com/dhh/status/1351124987084746755" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Daily Rush&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quake_III_Arena" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Quake III Arena&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PHP" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;PHP&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_(programming_language)" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Ruby&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://37signals.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;37signals&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="https://world.hey.com/jason" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Jason Fried&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Fowler_(software_engineer)" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Martin Fowler&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Thomas_(programmer)" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Dave Thomas&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://martinfowler.com/books/eaa.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Patterns of Enterprise Application Architecture&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://rubyonrails.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Ruby on Rails&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://grails.org/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;“Groovy on Grails”&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://kk.org/thetechnium/1000-true-fans/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;1000 true fans&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;DHH on growth: “&lt;a href="https://m.signalvnoise.com/exponential-growth-devours-and-corrupts/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Exponential growth devours and corrupts&lt;/a&gt;”&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://basecamp.com/handbook/05-product-histories#backpack" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Backpack&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="https://basecamp.com/handbook/05-product-histories#campfire" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Campfire&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://signalvnoise.com/archives2/bezos_expeditions_invests_in_37signals.php" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Jeff Bezos invests in 37signals&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Marketing at 37signals was literally &lt;a href="https://www.vice.com/en/article/wx8jyx/burn-away-2020-with-this-interactive-dumpster-fire" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;a dumpster fire&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://37signals.com/podcast/a-dumpster-fire-of-a-year/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;A podcast explaining it&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20040618212122/http://www.37signals.com/workshop-062504.php" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;“The Building of Basecamp”&lt;/a&gt; (and &lt;a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20040703072150/https://gadgetopia.com/2004/06/29/TheBuildingOfBasecampReview.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;review&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;David’s books:

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://basecamp.com/books/getting-real" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Getting Real&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://basecamp.com/books/rework" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Rework&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://basecamp.com/books/remote" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Remote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://basecamp.com/books/calm" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;It Doesn’t Have to Be Crazy at Work&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://signalvnoise.com/posts/3375-the-five-programming-books-that-meant-most-to-me" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;The programming books that meant the most to David&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_inverse_square_root" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Fast inverse square root&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://twitter.com/dhh/status/834146806594433025" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;David’s best tweet&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.deepmind.com/blog/alphadev-discovers-faster-sorting-algorithms" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;AI can out-sorting-algorithm you anyway&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celeron#Willamette-128" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;The Celeron 4&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;David’s writing on leaving the cloud:

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;“&lt;a href="https://world.hey.com/dhh/why-we-re-leaving-the-cloud-654b47e0" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Why we’re leaving the cloud&lt;/a&gt;”&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;"&lt;a href="https://world.hey.com/dhh/the-only-thing-worse-than-cloud-pricing-is-the-enterprisey-alternatives-854e98f3" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;The only thing worse than cloud pricing is the enterprisey alternatives&lt;/a&gt;"&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;“&lt;a href="https://world.hey.com/dhh/five-values-guiding-our-cloud-exit-638add47" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Five values guiding our cloud exit&lt;/a&gt;”&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;“&lt;a href="https://world.hey.com/dhh/we-stand-to-save-7m-over-five-years-from-our-cloud-exit-53996caa" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;We stand to save $7m over five years from our cloud exit&lt;/a&gt;”&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;"&lt;a href="https://world.hey.com/dhh/cloud-exit-pays-off-in-performance-too-4c53b697" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Cloud exit pays off in performance too&lt;/a&gt;”&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;“&lt;a href="https://world.hey.com/dhh/we-have-left-the-cloud-251760fb" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;We have left the cloud&lt;/a&gt;”&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.hey.com/apple/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;HEY vs the App Store&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://twitter.com/dhh/status/1661986828562444290" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Deft and Dell&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://mrsk.dev/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;MRSK&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://capistranorb.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Capistrano&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://github.com/mrsked/mrsk" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;GitHub&lt;/a&gt; contributor community&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maersk" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Maersk&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.theverge.com/2021/4/10/22377015/logitech-discontinues-harmony-universal-remotes" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Harmony remotes discontinued&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/8/23754780/reddit-api-updates-changes-news-announcements" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;The continuing demise of Reddit&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://observer.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2012/08/kevin-rose-business-week.jpeg" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Who has two thumbs and 60 million dollars?&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24_Hours_of_Le_Mans" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;24 Hours of Le Mans&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;2023 writeup&lt;a href="https://world.hey.com/dhh/the-le-mans-centenary-a0802694" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;:&lt;/a&gt; “&lt;a href="https://world.hey.com/dhh/the-le-mans-centenary-a0802694" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;The Le Mans Centenary&lt;/a&gt;“&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Heinemeier_Hansson#24_Hours_of_Le_Mans_results" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Result table&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;David Heinemeier Hansson&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://twitter.com/dhh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;@dhh&lt;/a&gt; on Twitter&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-heinemeier-hansson-374b18221/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;LinkedIn&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://world.hey.com/dhh" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;David’s blog&lt;/a&gt; on HEY&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;Guest hosts&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://twitter.com/craigbox" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Craig Box&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://craigbox.substack.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Subscribe to “Let’s Get To The News”&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://linkedin.com/in/mradamglick" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Adam Glick&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

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&lt;ul&gt;
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    <![CDATA[<p>Co-owner and CTO of 37signals, David Heinemeier Hansson is more commonly known as “DHH”. Famous as the creator of Ruby on Rails, Basecamp and HEY, David has made a career of being provocative on, and on behalf of, the Internet.</p>

<h2>Nonsense</h2>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.armosec.io/blog/kubernetes-vulnerability-relevancy-and-prioritization/" rel="nofollow">ARMO’s relevancy feature for prioritising CVE remediation in containers</a>

<ul>
<li><em>If you’re still running Kubernetes, that is; there is no MRSKscape yet</em></li>
</ul></li>
<li>Glastonbury 2023

<ul>
<li>Guns N’ Roses

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001nbyk/glastonbury-guns-n-roses" rel="nofollow">UK: the full set on iPlayer</a></li>
<li>Rest of the world: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHZTOvcElng" rel="nofollow">Paradise City (feat. Dave Grohl)</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appetite_for_Destruction" rel="nofollow">Appetite for Destruction</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li>Rick Astley

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0ft6dj2/glastonbury-rick-astley" rel="nofollow">UK: the full set on iPlayer</a></li>
<li><a href="https://youtu.be/nsCIeklgp1M" rel="nofollow">Rest of the world</a> (Beware: that link is <em>technically</em> a rick-roll)</li>
</ul></li>
</ul></li>
</ul>

<h2>Interview links</h2>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://basecamp.com/" rel="nofollow">Basecamp</a></li>
<li><a href="https://hey.com/" rel="nofollow">HEY!</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.dailyrush.dk/https://twitter.com/dhh/status/1351124987084746755" rel="nofollow">Daily Rush</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quake_III_Arena" rel="nofollow">Quake III Arena</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PHP" rel="nofollow">PHP</a> and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_(programming_language)" rel="nofollow">Ruby</a></li>
<li><a href="https://37signals.com/" rel="nofollow">37signals</a> and <a href="https://world.hey.com/jason" rel="nofollow">Jason Fried</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Fowler_(software_engineer)" rel="nofollow">Martin Fowler</a> and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Thomas_(programmer)" rel="nofollow">Dave Thomas</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://martinfowler.com/books/eaa.html" rel="nofollow">Patterns of Enterprise Application Architecture</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://rubyonrails.org/" rel="nofollow">Ruby on Rails</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://grails.org/" rel="nofollow">“Groovy on Grails”</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://kk.org/thetechnium/1000-true-fans/" rel="nofollow">1000 true fans</a></li>
<li>DHH on growth: “<a href="https://m.signalvnoise.com/exponential-growth-devours-and-corrupts/" rel="nofollow">Exponential growth devours and corrupts</a>”</li>
<li><a href="https://basecamp.com/handbook/05-product-histories#backpack" rel="nofollow">Backpack</a> and <a href="https://basecamp.com/handbook/05-product-histories#campfire" rel="nofollow">Campfire</a></li>
<li><a href="https://signalvnoise.com/archives2/bezos_expeditions_invests_in_37signals.php" rel="nofollow">Jeff Bezos invests in 37signals</a></li>
<li>Marketing at 37signals was literally <a href="https://www.vice.com/en/article/wx8jyx/burn-away-2020-with-this-interactive-dumpster-fire" rel="nofollow">a dumpster fire</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://37signals.com/podcast/a-dumpster-fire-of-a-year/" rel="nofollow">A podcast explaining it</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20040618212122/http://www.37signals.com/workshop-062504.php" rel="nofollow">“The Building of Basecamp”</a> (and <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20040703072150/https://gadgetopia.com/2004/06/29/TheBuildingOfBasecampReview.html" rel="nofollow">review</a>)</li>
<li>David’s books:

<ul>
<li><a href="https://basecamp.com/books/getting-real" rel="nofollow">Getting Real</a></li>
<li><a href="https://basecamp.com/books/rework" rel="nofollow">Rework</a></li>
<li><a href="https://basecamp.com/books/remote" rel="nofollow">Remote</a></li>
<li><a href="https://basecamp.com/books/calm" rel="nofollow">It Doesn’t Have to Be Crazy at Work</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://signalvnoise.com/posts/3375-the-five-programming-books-that-meant-most-to-me" rel="nofollow">The programming books that meant the most to David</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_inverse_square_root" rel="nofollow">Fast inverse square root</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://twitter.com/dhh/status/834146806594433025" rel="nofollow">David’s best tweet</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.deepmind.com/blog/alphadev-discovers-faster-sorting-algorithms" rel="nofollow">AI can out-sorting-algorithm you anyway</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celeron#Willamette-128" rel="nofollow">The Celeron 4</a></li>
<li>David’s writing on leaving the cloud:

<ul>
<li>“<a href="https://world.hey.com/dhh/why-we-re-leaving-the-cloud-654b47e0" rel="nofollow">Why we’re leaving the cloud</a>”</li>
<li>&quot;<a href="https://world.hey.com/dhh/the-only-thing-worse-than-cloud-pricing-is-the-enterprisey-alternatives-854e98f3" rel="nofollow">The only thing worse than cloud pricing is the enterprisey alternatives</a>&quot;</li>
<li>“<a href="https://world.hey.com/dhh/five-values-guiding-our-cloud-exit-638add47" rel="nofollow">Five values guiding our cloud exit</a>”</li>
<li>“<a href="https://world.hey.com/dhh/we-stand-to-save-7m-over-five-years-from-our-cloud-exit-53996caa" rel="nofollow">We stand to save $7m over five years from our cloud exit</a>”</li>
<li>&quot;<a href="https://world.hey.com/dhh/cloud-exit-pays-off-in-performance-too-4c53b697" rel="nofollow">Cloud exit pays off in performance too</a>”</li>
<li>“<a href="https://world.hey.com/dhh/we-have-left-the-cloud-251760fb" rel="nofollow">We have left the cloud</a>”</li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://www.hey.com/apple/" rel="nofollow">HEY vs the App Store</a></li>
<li><a href="https://twitter.com/dhh/status/1661986828562444290" rel="nofollow">Deft and Dell</a></li>
<li><a href="https://mrsk.dev/" rel="nofollow">MRSK</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://capistranorb.com/" rel="nofollow">Capistrano</a></li>
<li><a href="https://github.com/mrsked/mrsk" rel="nofollow">GitHub</a> contributor community</li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maersk" rel="nofollow">Maersk</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/2021/4/10/22377015/logitech-discontinues-harmony-universal-remotes" rel="nofollow">Harmony remotes discontinued</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/8/23754780/reddit-api-updates-changes-news-announcements" rel="nofollow">The continuing demise of Reddit</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://observer.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2012/08/kevin-rose-business-week.jpeg" rel="nofollow">Who has two thumbs and 60 million dollars?</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24_Hours_of_Le_Mans" rel="nofollow">24 Hours of Le Mans</a>

<ul>
<li>2023 writeup<a href="https://world.hey.com/dhh/the-le-mans-centenary-a0802694" rel="nofollow">:</a> “<a href="https://world.hey.com/dhh/the-le-mans-centenary-a0802694" rel="nofollow">The Le Mans Centenary</a>“</li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Heinemeier_Hansson#24_Hours_of_Le_Mans_results" rel="nofollow">Result table</a></li>
</ul></li>
</ul>

<h2>David Heinemeier Hansson</h2>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://dhh.dk/" rel="nofollow">https://dhh.dk/</a></li>
<li><a href="https://twitter.com/dhh" rel="nofollow">@dhh</a> on Twitter</li>
<li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-heinemeier-hansson-374b18221/" rel="nofollow">LinkedIn</a></li>
<li><a href="https://world.hey.com/dhh" rel="nofollow">David’s blog</a> on HEY</li>
</ul>

<h2>Guest hosts</h2>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://twitter.com/craigbox" rel="nofollow">Craig Box</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://craigbox.substack.com/" rel="nofollow">Subscribe to “Let’s Get To The News”</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://linkedin.com/in/mradamglick" rel="nofollow">Adam Glick</a></li>
</ul>

<h2>SDT news &amp; hype</h2>

<ul>
<li>Join us <a href="http://www.softwaredefinedtalk.com/slack" rel="nofollow">in Slack</a>.</li>
<li>Get a SDT Sticker! Send your postal address to <a href="mailto:stickers@softwaredefinedtalk.com" rel="nofollow">stickers@softwaredefinedtalk.com</a> and Brandon will send you free laptop stickers!</li>
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<li>Use the code SDT to get <a href="https://leanpub.com/digitalwtf/c/sdt" rel="nofollow">$20 off Coté’s book, Digital WTF</a>, so $5 total.</li>
<li><a href="https://www.softwaredefinedtalk.com/ads" rel="nofollow">Become a sponsor of Software Defined Talk</a>!</li>
</ul><p>Special Guests: Adan Glick, Craig Box, and David Heinemeier Hansson (DHH).</p>]]>
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    <![CDATA[<p>Co-owner and CTO of 37signals, David Heinemeier Hansson is more commonly known as “DHH”. Famous as the creator of Ruby on Rails, Basecamp and HEY, David has made a career of being provocative on, and on behalf of, the Internet.</p>

<h2>Nonsense</h2>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.armosec.io/blog/kubernetes-vulnerability-relevancy-and-prioritization/" rel="nofollow">ARMO’s relevancy feature for prioritising CVE remediation in containers</a>

<ul>
<li><em>If you’re still running Kubernetes, that is; there is no MRSKscape yet</em></li>
</ul></li>
<li>Glastonbury 2023

<ul>
<li>Guns N’ Roses

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m001nbyk/glastonbury-guns-n-roses" rel="nofollow">UK: the full set on iPlayer</a></li>
<li>Rest of the world: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FHZTOvcElng" rel="nofollow">Paradise City (feat. Dave Grohl)</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appetite_for_Destruction" rel="nofollow">Appetite for Destruction</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li>Rick Astley

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0ft6dj2/glastonbury-rick-astley" rel="nofollow">UK: the full set on iPlayer</a></li>
<li><a href="https://youtu.be/nsCIeklgp1M" rel="nofollow">Rest of the world</a> (Beware: that link is <em>technically</em> a rick-roll)</li>
</ul></li>
</ul></li>
</ul>

<h2>Interview links</h2>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://basecamp.com/" rel="nofollow">Basecamp</a></li>
<li><a href="https://hey.com/" rel="nofollow">HEY!</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.dailyrush.dk/https://twitter.com/dhh/status/1351124987084746755" rel="nofollow">Daily Rush</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quake_III_Arena" rel="nofollow">Quake III Arena</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PHP" rel="nofollow">PHP</a> and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruby_(programming_language)" rel="nofollow">Ruby</a></li>
<li><a href="https://37signals.com/" rel="nofollow">37signals</a> and <a href="https://world.hey.com/jason" rel="nofollow">Jason Fried</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Fowler_(software_engineer)" rel="nofollow">Martin Fowler</a> and <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_Thomas_(programmer)" rel="nofollow">Dave Thomas</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://martinfowler.com/books/eaa.html" rel="nofollow">Patterns of Enterprise Application Architecture</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://rubyonrails.org/" rel="nofollow">Ruby on Rails</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://grails.org/" rel="nofollow">“Groovy on Grails”</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://kk.org/thetechnium/1000-true-fans/" rel="nofollow">1000 true fans</a></li>
<li>DHH on growth: “<a href="https://m.signalvnoise.com/exponential-growth-devours-and-corrupts/" rel="nofollow">Exponential growth devours and corrupts</a>”</li>
<li><a href="https://basecamp.com/handbook/05-product-histories#backpack" rel="nofollow">Backpack</a> and <a href="https://basecamp.com/handbook/05-product-histories#campfire" rel="nofollow">Campfire</a></li>
<li><a href="https://signalvnoise.com/archives2/bezos_expeditions_invests_in_37signals.php" rel="nofollow">Jeff Bezos invests in 37signals</a></li>
<li>Marketing at 37signals was literally <a href="https://www.vice.com/en/article/wx8jyx/burn-away-2020-with-this-interactive-dumpster-fire" rel="nofollow">a dumpster fire</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://37signals.com/podcast/a-dumpster-fire-of-a-year/" rel="nofollow">A podcast explaining it</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20040618212122/http://www.37signals.com/workshop-062504.php" rel="nofollow">“The Building of Basecamp”</a> (and <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20040703072150/https://gadgetopia.com/2004/06/29/TheBuildingOfBasecampReview.html" rel="nofollow">review</a>)</li>
<li>David’s books:

<ul>
<li><a href="https://basecamp.com/books/getting-real" rel="nofollow">Getting Real</a></li>
<li><a href="https://basecamp.com/books/rework" rel="nofollow">Rework</a></li>
<li><a href="https://basecamp.com/books/remote" rel="nofollow">Remote</a></li>
<li><a href="https://basecamp.com/books/calm" rel="nofollow">It Doesn’t Have to Be Crazy at Work</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://signalvnoise.com/posts/3375-the-five-programming-books-that-meant-most-to-me" rel="nofollow">The programming books that meant the most to David</a></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_inverse_square_root" rel="nofollow">Fast inverse square root</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://twitter.com/dhh/status/834146806594433025" rel="nofollow">David’s best tweet</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.deepmind.com/blog/alphadev-discovers-faster-sorting-algorithms" rel="nofollow">AI can out-sorting-algorithm you anyway</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celeron#Willamette-128" rel="nofollow">The Celeron 4</a></li>
<li>David’s writing on leaving the cloud:

<ul>
<li>“<a href="https://world.hey.com/dhh/why-we-re-leaving-the-cloud-654b47e0" rel="nofollow">Why we’re leaving the cloud</a>”</li>
<li>&quot;<a href="https://world.hey.com/dhh/the-only-thing-worse-than-cloud-pricing-is-the-enterprisey-alternatives-854e98f3" rel="nofollow">The only thing worse than cloud pricing is the enterprisey alternatives</a>&quot;</li>
<li>“<a href="https://world.hey.com/dhh/five-values-guiding-our-cloud-exit-638add47" rel="nofollow">Five values guiding our cloud exit</a>”</li>
<li>“<a href="https://world.hey.com/dhh/we-stand-to-save-7m-over-five-years-from-our-cloud-exit-53996caa" rel="nofollow">We stand to save $7m over five years from our cloud exit</a>”</li>
<li>&quot;<a href="https://world.hey.com/dhh/cloud-exit-pays-off-in-performance-too-4c53b697" rel="nofollow">Cloud exit pays off in performance too</a>”</li>
<li>“<a href="https://world.hey.com/dhh/we-have-left-the-cloud-251760fb" rel="nofollow">We have left the cloud</a>”</li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://www.hey.com/apple/" rel="nofollow">HEY vs the App Store</a></li>
<li><a href="https://twitter.com/dhh/status/1661986828562444290" rel="nofollow">Deft and Dell</a></li>
<li><a href="https://mrsk.dev/" rel="nofollow">MRSK</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://capistranorb.com/" rel="nofollow">Capistrano</a></li>
<li><a href="https://github.com/mrsked/mrsk" rel="nofollow">GitHub</a> contributor community</li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maersk" rel="nofollow">Maersk</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/2021/4/10/22377015/logitech-discontinues-harmony-universal-remotes" rel="nofollow">Harmony remotes discontinued</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.theverge.com/2023/6/8/23754780/reddit-api-updates-changes-news-announcements" rel="nofollow">The continuing demise of Reddit</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://observer.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2012/08/kevin-rose-business-week.jpeg" rel="nofollow">Who has two thumbs and 60 million dollars?</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24_Hours_of_Le_Mans" rel="nofollow">24 Hours of Le Mans</a>

<ul>
<li>2023 writeup<a href="https://world.hey.com/dhh/the-le-mans-centenary-a0802694" rel="nofollow">:</a> “<a href="https://world.hey.com/dhh/the-le-mans-centenary-a0802694" rel="nofollow">The Le Mans Centenary</a>“</li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Heinemeier_Hansson#24_Hours_of_Le_Mans_results" rel="nofollow">Result table</a></li>
</ul></li>
</ul>

<h2>David Heinemeier Hansson</h2>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://dhh.dk/" rel="nofollow">https://dhh.dk/</a></li>
<li><a href="https://twitter.com/dhh" rel="nofollow">@dhh</a> on Twitter</li>
<li><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-heinemeier-hansson-374b18221/" rel="nofollow">LinkedIn</a></li>
<li><a href="https://world.hey.com/dhh" rel="nofollow">David’s blog</a> on HEY</li>
</ul>

<h2>Guest hosts</h2>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://twitter.com/craigbox" rel="nofollow">Craig Box</a>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://craigbox.substack.com/" rel="nofollow">Subscribe to “Let’s Get To The News”</a></li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://linkedin.com/in/mradamglick" rel="nofollow">Adam Glick</a></li>
</ul>

<h2>SDT news &amp; hype</h2>

<ul>
<li>Join us <a href="http://www.softwaredefinedtalk.com/slack" rel="nofollow">in Slack</a>.</li>
<li>Get a SDT Sticker! Send your postal address to <a href="mailto:stickers@softwaredefinedtalk.com" rel="nofollow">stickers@softwaredefinedtalk.com</a> and Brandon will send you free laptop stickers!</li>
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<li>Use the code SDT to get <a href="https://leanpub.com/digitalwtf/c/sdt" rel="nofollow">$20 off Coté’s book, Digital WTF</a>, so $5 total.</li>
<li><a href="https://www.softwaredefinedtalk.com/ads" rel="nofollow">Become a sponsor of Software Defined Talk</a>!</li>
</ul><p>Special Guests: Adan Glick, Craig Box, and David Heinemeier Hansson (DHH).</p>]]>
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  <title>Episode 399: Two Guys Live in the Southern Hemisphere, with Craig Box</title>
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  <pubDate>Fri, 03 Feb 2023 07:30:00 +0100</pubDate>
  <author>Software Defined Talk LLC</author>
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  <itunes:episode>399</itunes:episode>
  <itunes:title>Two Guys Live in the Southern Hemisphere, with Craig Box</itunes:title>
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  <itunes:subtitle>This week Matt Ray is joined by Craig Box and they discuss living down under, Craig’s media empire future, and managing CNCF Sandbox projects developer relations. We also discuss the British Monarchy...</itunes:subtitle>
  <itunes:duration>54:24</itunes:duration>
  <itunes:explicit>yes</itunes:explicit>
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  <description>&lt;p&gt;This week Matt Ray is joined by Craig Box and they discuss living down under, Craig’s media future, and managing CNCF Sandbox projects developer relations. Be sure to subscribe to Craig’s &lt;a href="https://craigbox.substack.com/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Let’s Get To The News&lt;/a&gt; newsletter and follow him on &lt;a href="https://mastodon.social/@craigbox" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Mastodon&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="https://twitter.com/craigbox/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Twitter&lt;/a&gt;(?)&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;p&gt;This interview was done on January 16th, 2023.&lt;/p&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;Runner-up Titles&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;You sound like an Australian&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The Mystery of the Cold Open&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;D-list Celebrities&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;The Americans are asleep&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;All the swans belong to the Queen&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;A summer Christmas is strange and weird and I don’t like it&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;Rundown&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://www.cbp.gov/travel/trusted-traveler-programs/global-entry/international-arrangements/new-zealand/us-global-entry-members" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Global Entry, New Zealand-style&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Is there another podcast in the future?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Learning by osmosis&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Developer advocacy at Google&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;You’re not tall enough to ride this ride&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Joining &lt;a href="https://www.armosec.io/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;ARMO&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://github.com/kubescape" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Kubescape&lt;/a&gt;, the Kubernetes end-to-end security platform&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://www.cncf.io/projects/opencost/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;OpenCost&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="https://www.cncf.io/projects/kubescape/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Kubescape&lt;/a&gt;, CNCF Sandbox Projects&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;You’re already in my calendar&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;ARMO monetization strategy&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;All Blacks vs. Wallabies&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Who are these weird celebrities?&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;&lt;a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Holt_Memorial_Swimming_Centre" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;The Harold Holt Memorial Swim Centre&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;TweetBot insulated me from a lot of Twitter&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;Conferences&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Coté speaking at &lt;a href="https://cfgmgmtcamp.eu/ghent2023/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;cfgmgmtcamp&lt;/a&gt;, Feb 6th to 8th, Ghent.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://stateofopencon.com/sponsors/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;State of Open Con 2023,&lt;/a&gt; London, UK,  February 7th-8th 2023&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://events.linuxfoundation.org/cloudnativesecuritycon-north-america/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;CloudNativeSecurityCon North America&lt;/a&gt;, Seattle, Feb 1 – 2, 2023&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale/20x" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Southern California Linux Expo,&lt;/a&gt; Los Angeles, March 9-12, 2023

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt; &lt;a href="https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale/20x/presentations/kubernetes-cloud-cost-monitoring-opencost-optimization-strategies" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Matt&lt;/a&gt; &amp;amp; &lt;a href="https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale/20x/presentations/lessons-learned-7-years-running-developer-platforms" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Coté&lt;/a&gt;!&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt; Use Discount Code: DEVOP&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://devopsdays.org/events/2023-birmingham-al/welcome/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;DevOpsDays Birmingham, AL 2023&lt;/a&gt;, April 20 - 21, 2023&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;

&lt;h2&gt;SDT news &amp;amp; hype&lt;/h2&gt;

&lt;ul&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Join us &lt;a href="http://www.softwaredefinedtalk.com/slack" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;in Slack&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Get a SDT Sticker! Send your postal address to &lt;a href="mailto:stickers@softwaredefinedtalk.com" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;stickers@softwaredefinedtalk.com&lt;/a&gt; and we will send you free laptop stickers!&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Follow us on &lt;a href="https://www.twitch.tv/sdtpodcast" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Twitch&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://twitter.com/softwaredeftalk" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Twitter&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://www.instagram.com/softwaredefinedtalk/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Instagram&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/software-defined-talk/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;LinkedIn&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCi3OJPV6h9tp-hbsGBLGsDQ/featured" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;YouTube&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;Use the code SDT to get &lt;a href="https://leanpub.com/digitalwtf/c/sdt" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;$20 off Coté’s book, Digital WTF&lt;/a&gt;, so $5 total.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;li&gt;
&lt;a href="https://www.softwaredefinedtalk.com/ads" target="_blank" rel="nofollow noopener"&gt;Become a sponsor of Software Defined Talk&lt;/a&gt;!
Special Guest: Craig Box.&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;/ul&gt;
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  <content:encoded>
    <![CDATA[<p>This week Matt Ray is joined by Craig Box and they discuss living down under, Craig’s media future, and managing CNCF Sandbox projects developer relations. Be sure to subscribe to Craig’s <a href="https://craigbox.substack.com/" rel="nofollow">Let’s Get To The News</a> newsletter and follow him on <a href="https://mastodon.social/@craigbox" rel="nofollow">Mastodon</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/craigbox/" rel="nofollow">Twitter</a>(?)</p>

<p>This interview was done on January 16th, 2023.</p>

<h2>Runner-up Titles</h2>

<ul>
<li>You sound like an Australian</li>
<li>The Mystery of the Cold Open</li>
<li>D-list Celebrities</li>
<li>The Americans are asleep</li>
<li>All the swans belong to the Queen</li>
<li>A summer Christmas is strange and weird and I don’t like it</li>
</ul>

<h2>Rundown</h2>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.cbp.gov/travel/trusted-traveler-programs/global-entry/international-arrangements/new-zealand/us-global-entry-members" rel="nofollow">Global Entry, New Zealand-style</a></li>
<li>Is there another podcast in the future?</li>
<li>Learning by osmosis</li>
<li>Developer advocacy at Google</li>
<li>You’re not tall enough to ride this ride</li>
<li>Joining <a href="https://www.armosec.io/" rel="nofollow">ARMO</a></li>
<li><a href="https://github.com/kubescape" rel="nofollow">Kubescape</a>, the Kubernetes end-to-end security platform</li>
<li><a href="https://www.cncf.io/projects/opencost/" rel="nofollow">OpenCost</a> and <a href="https://www.cncf.io/projects/kubescape/" rel="nofollow">Kubescape</a>, CNCF Sandbox Projects</li>
<li>You’re already in my calendar</li>
<li>ARMO monetization strategy</li>
<li>All Blacks vs. Wallabies</li>
<li>Who are these weird celebrities?</li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Holt_Memorial_Swimming_Centre" rel="nofollow">The Harold Holt Memorial Swim Centre</a></li>
<li>TweetBot insulated me from a lot of Twitter</li>
</ul>

<h2>Conferences</h2>

<ul>
<li>Coté speaking at <a href="https://cfgmgmtcamp.eu/ghent2023/" rel="nofollow">cfgmgmtcamp</a>, Feb 6th to 8th, Ghent.</li>
<li><a href="https://stateofopencon.com/sponsors/" rel="nofollow">State of Open Con 2023,</a> London, UK,  February 7th-8th 2023</li>
<li><a href="https://events.linuxfoundation.org/cloudnativesecuritycon-north-america/" rel="nofollow">CloudNativeSecurityCon North America</a>, Seattle, Feb 1 – 2, 2023</li>
<li><a href="https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale/20x" rel="nofollow">Southern California Linux Expo,</a> Los Angeles, March 9-12, 2023

<ul>
<li> <a href="https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale/20x/presentations/kubernetes-cloud-cost-monitoring-opencost-optimization-strategies" rel="nofollow">Matt</a> &amp; <a href="https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale/20x/presentations/lessons-learned-7-years-running-developer-platforms" rel="nofollow">Coté</a>!</li>
<li> Use Discount Code: DEVOP</li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://devopsdays.org/events/2023-birmingham-al/welcome/" rel="nofollow">DevOpsDays Birmingham, AL 2023</a>, April 20 - 21, 2023</li>
</ul>

<h2>SDT news &amp; hype</h2>

<ul>
<li>Join us <a href="http://www.softwaredefinedtalk.com/slack" rel="nofollow">in Slack</a>.</li>
<li>Get a SDT Sticker! Send your postal address to <a href="mailto:stickers@softwaredefinedtalk.com" rel="nofollow">stickers@softwaredefinedtalk.com</a> and we will send you free laptop stickers!</li>
<li>Follow us on <a href="https://www.twitch.tv/sdtpodcast" rel="nofollow">Twitch</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/softwaredeftalk" rel="nofollow">Twitter</a>, <a href="https://www.instagram.com/softwaredefinedtalk/" rel="nofollow">Instagram</a>, <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/software-defined-talk/" rel="nofollow">LinkedIn</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCi3OJPV6h9tp-hbsGBLGsDQ/featured" rel="nofollow">YouTube</a>.</li>
<li>Use the code SDT to get <a href="https://leanpub.com/digitalwtf/c/sdt" rel="nofollow">$20 off Coté’s book, Digital WTF</a>, so $5 total.</li>
<li><a href="https://www.softwaredefinedtalk.com/ads" rel="nofollow">Become a sponsor of Software Defined Talk</a>!</li>
</ul><p>Special Guest: Craig Box.</p>]]>
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  <itunes:summary>
    <![CDATA[<p>This week Matt Ray is joined by Craig Box and they discuss living down under, Craig’s media future, and managing CNCF Sandbox projects developer relations. Be sure to subscribe to Craig’s <a href="https://craigbox.substack.com/" rel="nofollow">Let’s Get To The News</a> newsletter and follow him on <a href="https://mastodon.social/@craigbox" rel="nofollow">Mastodon</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/craigbox/" rel="nofollow">Twitter</a>(?)</p>

<p>This interview was done on January 16th, 2023.</p>

<h2>Runner-up Titles</h2>

<ul>
<li>You sound like an Australian</li>
<li>The Mystery of the Cold Open</li>
<li>D-list Celebrities</li>
<li>The Americans are asleep</li>
<li>All the swans belong to the Queen</li>
<li>A summer Christmas is strange and weird and I don’t like it</li>
</ul>

<h2>Rundown</h2>

<ul>
<li><a href="https://www.cbp.gov/travel/trusted-traveler-programs/global-entry/international-arrangements/new-zealand/us-global-entry-members" rel="nofollow">Global Entry, New Zealand-style</a></li>
<li>Is there another podcast in the future?</li>
<li>Learning by osmosis</li>
<li>Developer advocacy at Google</li>
<li>You’re not tall enough to ride this ride</li>
<li>Joining <a href="https://www.armosec.io/" rel="nofollow">ARMO</a></li>
<li><a href="https://github.com/kubescape" rel="nofollow">Kubescape</a>, the Kubernetes end-to-end security platform</li>
<li><a href="https://www.cncf.io/projects/opencost/" rel="nofollow">OpenCost</a> and <a href="https://www.cncf.io/projects/kubescape/" rel="nofollow">Kubescape</a>, CNCF Sandbox Projects</li>
<li>You’re already in my calendar</li>
<li>ARMO monetization strategy</li>
<li>All Blacks vs. Wallabies</li>
<li>Who are these weird celebrities?</li>
<li><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Holt_Memorial_Swimming_Centre" rel="nofollow">The Harold Holt Memorial Swim Centre</a></li>
<li>TweetBot insulated me from a lot of Twitter</li>
</ul>

<h2>Conferences</h2>

<ul>
<li>Coté speaking at <a href="https://cfgmgmtcamp.eu/ghent2023/" rel="nofollow">cfgmgmtcamp</a>, Feb 6th to 8th, Ghent.</li>
<li><a href="https://stateofopencon.com/sponsors/" rel="nofollow">State of Open Con 2023,</a> London, UK,  February 7th-8th 2023</li>
<li><a href="https://events.linuxfoundation.org/cloudnativesecuritycon-north-america/" rel="nofollow">CloudNativeSecurityCon North America</a>, Seattle, Feb 1 – 2, 2023</li>
<li><a href="https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale/20x" rel="nofollow">Southern California Linux Expo,</a> Los Angeles, March 9-12, 2023

<ul>
<li> <a href="https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale/20x/presentations/kubernetes-cloud-cost-monitoring-opencost-optimization-strategies" rel="nofollow">Matt</a> &amp; <a href="https://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale/20x/presentations/lessons-learned-7-years-running-developer-platforms" rel="nofollow">Coté</a>!</li>
<li> Use Discount Code: DEVOP</li>
</ul></li>
<li><a href="https://devopsdays.org/events/2023-birmingham-al/welcome/" rel="nofollow">DevOpsDays Birmingham, AL 2023</a>, April 20 - 21, 2023</li>
</ul>

<h2>SDT news &amp; hype</h2>

<ul>
<li>Join us <a href="http://www.softwaredefinedtalk.com/slack" rel="nofollow">in Slack</a>.</li>
<li>Get a SDT Sticker! Send your postal address to <a href="mailto:stickers@softwaredefinedtalk.com" rel="nofollow">stickers@softwaredefinedtalk.com</a> and we will send you free laptop stickers!</li>
<li>Follow us on <a href="https://www.twitch.tv/sdtpodcast" rel="nofollow">Twitch</a>, <a href="https://twitter.com/softwaredeftalk" rel="nofollow">Twitter</a>, <a href="https://www.instagram.com/softwaredefinedtalk/" rel="nofollow">Instagram</a>, <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/company/software-defined-talk/" rel="nofollow">LinkedIn</a> and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCi3OJPV6h9tp-hbsGBLGsDQ/featured" rel="nofollow">YouTube</a>.</li>
<li>Use the code SDT to get <a href="https://leanpub.com/digitalwtf/c/sdt" rel="nofollow">$20 off Coté’s book, Digital WTF</a>, so $5 total.</li>
<li><a href="https://www.softwaredefinedtalk.com/ads" rel="nofollow">Become a sponsor of Software Defined Talk</a>!</li>
</ul><p>Special Guest: Craig Box.</p>]]>
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